Streamer S3 Streamer Development Log
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, Lyrion is too good to be ignored now 
FosilNew
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Thanks, so the power demand will be around 1 A, no?
the power is 12V 1.5A
hello,every one ,s3 lite DVT test product has finish.This one will have PCM support up to at least 384KHz (to USB output) and eventually be Roon Ready?
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Can't wait
troythector
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Ooh ... now I'm getting exited. This is the one I have been waiting for. When is the project release date for the S3 Lite?
Can you provide us with the physical dimensions as well please?
Can you provide us with the physical dimensions as well please?
Synergy_dude
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This is the one that interests me.
12V6GT
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I tested my S3. Power consumption is 300 mA during music playing with WiFi streaming, EQ on, and RCA output for both channels and the subwoofer.
waiting for the black version is the sole reason i havent brought an S3. Please get this to market asap
Add my username to the list. I need the black S3 version to complete my Fosi Audio Setup.
yes,it can
about Q2 finish development ,and Q3 on sell,,, small a little then ZD3
12V6GT
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I tested an S3 in my system. Unfortunately, it has lower volume gain than my Wiim Mini. My amplifier has a low gain (around 5). It is loud enough when I played Amazon HD through Wiim Mini. However, with S3, some of the music pieces are just not loud enough when I play them through Google Cast. Since Wiim Mini has the option to choose different output levels in their software. I would recommend Fosi to adopt the same approach and add more gain options for us with low gain amplifiers. I assume this is easy to do and should be included in the bear future release.
12V6GT
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A left and right channel balance control is also needed for the future software release.
I have two full range Zenith drivers from '60s mounted on open baffles. They don't have the same gain, I need a balance control just like a real pre-amplifier. The drivers also have peaks that need to be tamed. So for the future room correction and equalizers, please include adjustments for each individual channel in addition to just stereo. If you have any questions, please check Wiim software and see how they did it.
For the subwoofer management, please be sure to add delay time to accommodate location difference between the subwoofer and the main speakers.
I have two full range Zenith drivers from '60s mounted on open baffles. They don't have the same gain, I need a balance control just like a real pre-amplifier. The drivers also have peaks that need to be tamed. So for the future room correction and equalizers, please include adjustments for each individual channel in addition to just stereo. If you have any questions, please check Wiim software and see how they did it.
For the subwoofer management, please be sure to add delay time to accommodate location difference between the subwoofer and the main speakers.
parkylives
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Is anyone having issue with tidal connect?
If play any music over 44.1kHz there is constant cutting out. I am stuck playing music at a lower resolution and it's annoying.
If play any music over 44.1kHz there is constant cutting out. I am stuck playing music at a lower resolution and it's annoying.
My issue with Tidal is that when I connect to the S3 when it is on standby, it wakes the device up, but disconnects instantly and I have to connect to it again to start streaming. Another issue but I think it is more related to the Tidal app itself, that after a while, it loses connection to the streamer and while the stream continues to play, I have to reconnect to Tidal Connect in the app to get the current track, queue, progress, etc.
Using HDMI Arc also have rare occasions when the sound starts sputtering/popping and I have to change input and back to Arc to "reconnect" and solve the issue.
Also a bit confused now if there will be a DSP based filter for the subwoofer output? Initially it was a clear yes from Fosi side, that this will be available as an OTA upgrade, but last time YuTing mentioned, that bass management will only be available in future interations/models. While I understand that hardware specific modifications will not be done to the S3, I think it is a bit misleading that the promised software feature will be missing too. It was one of the future features promised, that sold me this device. Are there any news about it?
alaperse
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Hi @Fosi Audio Team @fosi PM YuTing @Will Zhang
Sorry to bother you on a non related post, but, do you have any news about Fosi Q8? We know from the internet it was presented at AXPONA, but we haven't received any news from @Charles for about 2 months.
Hope we can receive some good news. And again, sorry to post in here.
Sorry to bother you on a non related post, but, do you have any news about Fosi Q8? We know from the internet it was presented at AXPONA, but we haven't received any news from @Charles for about 2 months.
Hope we can receive some good news. And again, sorry to post in here.
thanks，Currently, the bass management for S3 involves hardware modifications. Since the MCU outputs only a single audio channel, this issue cannot be resolved solely through software updates. We have incorporated this feature into our streaming amplifier product (S5), implementing hardware-based filtering for bass management. Regarding the other issues you mentioned above, I will ask our testing colleagues to retest and verify whether they exist. Thank you for your feedback.
I will let the Q8 PM tell you
thanks We do not encounter this issue in our testing environment. Based on our experience, the problem you described is more likely related to network connectivity—you may try switching to a different network environment.
alaperse
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Thank you.
Juan Rodriguez
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Here's the translation:
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Hi everyone,
Continuing with this topic, I have received an S3 unit and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it does support DSD, or at least, that is what the Fosi app indicates.
To comment on other aspects related to the device, my main interest is playing back files stored on a hard drive connected to a Raspberry Pi via DLNA. I must say the device sounds very good — Fosi has done a great job. It is true that the app still has a long way to go. I come from using Lyrion Media Server, and it would be fantastic if Fosi steered its development in that direction.
Hopefully in future versions, in addition to improvements to the equalizer, they can include other things such as: playlist management, improved library browsing, proper display of album artwork (in my case, many covers are not showing), the ability to link the library to external databases covering artists and discographies, etc.
I know the Fosi team always listens to us and will do their best to improve the product.
Best regards
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OrangeWalrus
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I have played DSD files via UPnP and can confirm that it works. I am outputting to XLR. That said, UPnP interface in the Fosi app is still a bit buggy in navigation.
OrangeWalrus
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Check that the "RCA/XLR" output is selected. I accidentally selected optical and drove myself crazy for a while trying to figure out why I was suddenly getting no sound.
Also make sure that your TV is set to output PCM audio and not bitstream. As far as I know, the S3 cannot decode Dolby, for example.
I am set up like you, using HDMI ARC to the S3 and it works fine.
Apesbrain
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Please include Lyrion Music Server (squeezelite) support in your development plan for the S3 and S3 Lite. Thanks.
github.com
GitHub - ralph-irving/squeezelite: Lightweight headless squeezebox player for Lyrion Media Server
Lightweight headless squeezebox player for Lyrion Media Server - ralph-irving/squeezelite
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thanks ，It will be produced along with the next batch of orders. Currently, since we have already manufactured a batch of silver devices, we need to deplete some inventory, and therefore cannot provide you with an exact timeline at this time.
thanks ,It’s clear you’re quite knowledgeable about streaming devices. I’d like to ask—why do you want such a fine-grained music library management feature? How do you typically use it?
thanks，What issue are you currently experiencing? I’ll have our testing team check it.
thanks,why you want it,and,how you use it? why you not use DLNA ,thanksPlease include Lyrion Music Server (squeezelite) support in your development plan for the S3 and S3 Lite. Thanks.
GitHub - ralph-irving/squeezelite: Lightweight headless squeezebox player for Lyrion Media Server
Lightweight headless squeezebox player for Lyrion Media Server - ralph-irving/squeezelite
OrangeWalrus
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When the S3 is on standby, navigating my music library by UPnp with the Fosi app is normal, I can select any song, and the S3 turns on and plays it.
However, when the S3 is on, browsing my music library through UPnp with Fosi app only shows the first 31 items - it shows only the first 31 folders, or the first 31 artists, or the first 31 albums. If I use the search for a track title, it can find anything in the library.
I tried this with MiniDLNA, Plex server DLNA, and Lyrion Music Server DLNA and the result is the same for all. I tried the Fosi Android app and also by using my web browser and entering the local IP address of the S3 - the results are the same. I tried using BubbleUPnP android app to send music from my DLNA server to the S3 and browsing works as expected except that BubbleUPnP reports an error with DSD files, but I don't know if this is a problem with S3 or BubbleUPnP.
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hello，everyone，According to S3’s publicly announced optimization plan, the following features were completed in April: Qobuz Connect integration, addition of a 10-band equalizer, and support for Chinese and Japanese languages. Internal and external testing has been completed, and the new version (v0.0.243.0xc4876da) has been released and deployed over-the-air (OTA). If no manual update is performed, devices powered on will automatically update to the latest version tomorrow. Thank you！Ten minutes all process in my case...
Yep, I have the same issue too. Caps at 31 items (songs, artists, albums etc). Only occurs on my Android phone (Pixel) though;works on my iPhone.
thanks，There is indeed this issue with UPNP currently. We are determining whether it is a problem with the UPNP protocol, as we have found that this issue also exists in other brands' products available on the market. Currently, we have already started troubleshooting and fixing it, and after the repair is completed, we will update it through OTA. Thank you.
Many thanks for your reply. There is another issue I'd also like to address. Spotify Connect Lossless does not seem to be supported on the S3 (neither on Android nor on iOS aamof). The Lossless indicator should appear in the now playing view which it doesn't. Audio quality is thus limited to the Spotify option "Very High", i.e. 320 kbps.
Many thanks for your reply. There is another issue I'd also like to address. Spotify Connect Lossless does not seem to be supported on the S3 (neither on Android nor on iOS aamof). The Lossless indicator should appear in the now playing view (in the Spotify app) which it doesn't. Audio quality is thus limited to the Spotify option "Very High", i.e. 320 kbps.
Working 100%here, I can see what you say, maybe some adjust you skip? Try to set audio quality in Spotify app when your S3 are conected and then you can choose music quality for your S3
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thanks，According to our tests, currently, except for DSD which is not supported (this can only be output via the USB interface), other high sampling rates can be supported for output. S3 does not reduce the sampling rate of the audio transmitted, as it has no such setting and does not perform such processing.
thanks，Of course, once the product prototype is out, I will start a new post. This post mainly discusses S3.
Thanks for your reply. However, it's not only a matter of being able to support high sampling rates for Spotify Connect Lossless to function properly. Quite a few other things are also required. E.g:
Software Integration (Spotify eSDK):
Streamers use the Spotify Embedded SDK to communicate with the Spotify app. To enable Lossless, the manufacturer must:
Update to the Latest eSDK: Older versions of the SDK only negotiate for lossy streams. The manufacturer must integrate the version of the SDK that includes the Lossless capability flag.
Capability Negotiation: During the initial "handshake" between the Spotify app and the streamer, the streamer must broadcast its ability to handle the lossless audio type. If this flag isn't set, the Spotify app will default to the "Very High" (320 kbps) setting.
Media Quality API: The product’s firmware must be able to receive and act upon the new Lossless quality command sent via the Connect protocol.
User Interface & Feedback: Spotify requires certain branding and UI behaviors for certified Connect devices:
Firmware Updates: The manufacturer must provide an Over-the-Air (OTA) update system to ensure the device can receive security patches and SDK updates from Spotify as the lossless rollout evolves.
Note for Developers: You can access the specific implementation documentation through the Spotify for Developers portal, provided your company has a commercial hardware partnership agreement with Spotify.
Mine was the same
thanks，This is not a device issue, but rather related to the number of simultaneous upgrades at the same time. We distribute the upgrade program via the cloud server. If the number of people upgrading at the same time is relatively large, it will be slower. You can try staggering the upgrade time.
FosilNew
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Ok, thanks, 5 hours it´s an eternity....
Juan Rodriguez
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Hello everyone,
I'm sending you the following suggestions for modifying the application, mainly for navigating the music stored on our devices:
- In the content browsing options, it's essential to have a "new music" option.
On the folder navigation screen, it would be advisable to have quick access based on the first letter of the title.
Many files don't load their album art, even though they have it.
The ability to view the playlist at any time, as well as the option to skip, skip, rewind, etc., should be included. I've been using the Lyrion app for a while, and I think it would be a good model for Fosi to compare itself to. I'm attaching some images so you can see what I mean.
I know many people will use the S3 streamer in combination with other services like Spotify, Tidal, etc., but many of us prioritize our music collections stored on hard drives.
We encourage the Fosi team to improve and optimize the application. All our support.
All the best
I'm sending you the following suggestions for modifying the application, mainly for navigating the music stored on our devices:
- In the content browsing options, it's essential to have a "new music" option.
On the folder navigation screen, it would be advisable to have quick access based on the first letter of the title.
Many files don't load their album art, even though they have it.
The ability to view the playlist at any time, as well as the option to skip, skip, rewind, etc., should be included. I've been using the Lyrion app for a while, and I think it would be a good model for Fosi to compare itself to. I'm attaching some images so you can see what I mean.
I know many people will use the S3 streamer in combination with other services like Spotify, Tidal, etc., but many of us prioritize our music collections stored on hard drives.
We encourage the Fosi team to improve and optimize the application. All our support.
All the best
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Stonefeather
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I bought the S3 on day one and I’m very happy with it. Especially with the latest update, which makes the EQ even better to configure. I mainly use the S3 as an ARC player and occasionally as a Spotify Connect player.
The only thing I’m missing is some kind of API to read and control the S3 via, for example, Home Assistant. That’s why I’ve been tinkering with it myself, and I now have the first basic sensors working in Home Assistant. It works reasonably well, but I would love to use an official API.
It would also be great to have a separate EQ per media input, and perhaps something like a loudness filter (I’m quite a bit of a basshead).
The only thing I’m missing is some kind of API to read and control the S3 via, for example, Home Assistant. That’s why I’ve been tinkering with it myself, and I now have the first basic sensors working in Home Assistant. It works reasonably well, but I would love to use an official API.
It would also be great to have a separate EQ per media input, and perhaps something like a loudness filter (I’m quite a bit of a basshead).
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thanks，We are investigating and optimizing this issue, and I'll let you know if there's any progress.
thanks，We will add these features to the in-development streaming media device with a screen，It should be able to cover the main functions you mentioned above, thank you
parkylives
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I have had this now for 2 weeks and the update as helped a lot but also broke the hdmi arc. Everytime I use the hdmi arc from my tv the volume is nearly zero I have to turn the s3 knob all the way up to get audio. Does not work when I use the remote or the cec of the tv. I have also tried to connect the device to my vol 20 but does not connect I get an error saying le-connection-abort-by-local as shown in the screenshot. I previously asked if the vol20 would be compatible and was told yes. Unfortunately this does not seem to have occured as the 7 anniversary, does match the colour of the fosi s3.
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thanks，If HDMI ARC is connected, the volume of the device is mainly determined by the TV volume. You can try adding the TV volume. Additionally, S3 currently cannot be used in conjunction with the volume because their Bluetooth protocols differ somewhat.Based on your description, Please contact our customer service and send them the abnormal video. Once the customer service sees it, they will handle it. The more detailed the fault video is, the better. Thank you
