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In a future iteration of the S3 and LC30 it would be cool to see tighter component integration that allows for Spottily Connect to see the various signal paths in a Fosi stack as separate devices. Like Amp/Speaker combinations A+A, A+B, B+B, B+A as different devices that when selected could be relayed by the S3 to the LC30. Why? Well, I have one signal chain I like to use for Jazz, and a separate one I prefer for classic rock. It would be nice to be able to just select it in the app rather than mashing buttons on the remote. Anyway, it's just a thought I've had since setting up my current system. I haven't added a streamer yet in anticipation of the S3. Just using an old Fire tablet and controlling it through the Spotify app on my phone or the web player.
 
jweier111 said:
In a future iteration of the S3 and LC30 it would be cool to see tighter component integration that allows for Spottily Connect to see the various signal paths in a Fosi stack as separate devices. Like Amp/Speaker combinations A+A, A+B, B+B, B+A as different devices that when selected could be relayed by the S3 to the LC30. Why? Well, I have one signal chain I like to use for Jazz, and a separate one I prefer for classic rock. It would be nice to be able to just select it in the app rather than mashing buttons on the remote. Anyway, it's just a thought I've had since setting up my current system. I haven't added a streamer yet in anticipation of the S3. Just using an old Fire tablet and controlling it through the Spotify app on my phone or the web player.
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This is such a good idea! Has this been done elsewhere? I love it.
 
Martin Roscos said:
This is such a good idea! Has this been done elsewhere? I love it.
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I'm not sure if it has been done elsewhere, but I do IT for a living. It shouldn't be too hard to perhaps create a few "virtual" MAC addresses on the S3 NIC I would think? And then each MAC address could represent a different "Device" to the Spotify app. I would assume this would also maybe involve creating virtual NIC's with their own IPs (meaning 4-5 IP's being claimed by the S3). But I'm just spitballing ideas here. I know virtual NICs are pretty common place in Windows, and Linux (I've never tired it in MacOS, but I'd assume it's similar). I have no clue what the S3 is using under the hood. But if it's Linux I'm pretty sure this is something that could be accomplished predominantly in software. At least on the S3 side. Quick and dirty communication to the LC30 could be as simple as an IR relay. The remote can already change between the speakers and amps. So I would think that communication could be relayed semi-simply (I'm not an engineer, I could be horribly under-simplifying this, and if so it's OK to tell me!).
 
jweier111 said:
I'm not sure if it has been done elsewhere, but I do IT for a living. It shouldn't be too hard to perhaps create a few "virtual" MAC addresses on the S3 NIC I would think? And then each MAC address could represent a different "Device" to the Spotify app. I would assume this would also maybe involve creating virtual NIC's with their own IPs (meaning 4-5 IP's being claimed by the S3). But I'm just spitballing ideas here. I know virtual NICs are pretty common place in Windows, and Linux (I've never tired it in MacOS, but I'd assume it's similar). I have no clue what the S3 is using under the hood. But if it's Linux I'm pretty sure this is something that could be accomplished predominantly in software. At least on the S3 side. Quick and dirty communication to the LC30 could be as simple as an IR relay. The remote can already change between the speakers and amps. So I would think that communication could be relayed semi-simply (I'm not an engineer, I could be horribly under-simplifying this, and if so it's OK to tell me!).
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Love it
 
CreativeX42 said:
The silence and lack of news it is disturbing. Probably it is low priority project or abandon.
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It will release, but there are areas they need to address. The issue now is they are on Spring Festival which essentially lasts for about a month (moon cycle). I would rather they address some of the software improvements up-front before releasing.
 
So, I do not own a Fosi T10 but apparently it works with the WIIM app (and apple devices). Could this be a solution for the Fosi streamers? The ability to use EQ/room correction & link to other Fosi/Wiim streamers would be a huge plus - not having to choose one ecosystem or the other.
 
If not abandoned my reaction would be Roon ready.

People not subscribed to Roon have no right saying this should be omitted just for that reason.
We are not talking ultra high end, and every reasonable choice within scope should be considered at least.

If someone asks for pink besides grey, silver or black its their right to do so. Fosi will decide in the end.

Same as some computer [brand/style] users pretending another computer [brand/style] does not exist...or [please fill in your own preferred details] ...

I believe that this is a worldwide community where Fosi listens to everyone and then takes a business decision.
 
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toninhofwi said:
You described it correctly: “Unfortunately”...
And unfortunately, I won't buy it, because it will look completely out of place alongside my other all-black Fosis.

Regards.
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That is your right!

In my case I have a mixed lot (colour & brand wise because my first "amendment" is how I can enloy music at the budget I have/wish to spend on audio. Next to my 1200+ vinyl records the colour of my record player is completely irrelevant.

Bottom line is that everyone makes their own choices. Friends of mine will, for example, only buy stuff when it is branded B&O...
 
PaulStevv said:
So, I do not own a Fosi T10 but apparently it works with the WIIM app (and apple devices). Could this be a solution for the Fosi streamers? The ability to use EQ/room correction & link to other Fosi/Wiim streamers would be a huge plus - not having to choose one ecosystem or the other.
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I have previously and they have stated they would not be going this way and link play devices are becoming dated as wiim device are the only ones that get the updates. Mist linkplay devices are on firmware from the 2022.
 
parkylives said:
I have previously and they have stated they would not be going this way and link play devices are becoming dated as wiim device are the only ones that get the updates. Mist linkplay devices are on firmware from the 2022.
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Bummer. So instead of using a mature app that’s regularly updated they opted to try and reinvent the wheel. Let see if they can create an app with more features and better stability than the wiim home app.

Fwiw I don’t care one bit about what the streamer looks like. My current source is a WIIM mini stashed under my bed. The only thing I see and interact with is the app on my phone, so other than having the right connectivity imo the only thing that matters for this purchase decision is the app.
 
tetrode said:
I realize I'm very much in the minority but, as a classical music listener, it's critical for me that a music streamer support both the Qobuz and Idagio streaming services. Qobuz being more eclectic is almost universally supported. However, Idagio enjoys less support. Bluesound and Eversolo both support Idagio. WiiM is "considering" adding Idagio support. Adding this streaming service to S3's roadmap would make it a potential option for me. I currently own three BluOS devices including a Node ICON as well as two WiiM Ultras.

I've been HUGELY impressed by my V3 monos and ZP3 preamp (apart from the maddening volume control issue) and expect the S3 will be equally as impressive.
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Hi,
Qobuz Connect should be supported very soon.

As for Idagio, there are currently no plans to support it, but I will add it to our OTA roadmap for future consideration.

Thank you very much for your suggestion.
 
Della88 said:
I was just about to hit buy on a Wiim pro plus.
If the S3 has native Apple Music support via the fosi app and I don’t have to stream it via airplay 2 I will wait for the s3
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Hi
It does not support native Apple Music, as Apple does not make this functionality available to third-party devices.
 
Earmuff3538 said:
I hope there will be YT Music integration. I'm satisfied with the spec on Wiim pro plus, but also exicited to wait and see what FA have in store. I'll hold off purchasing till I see what the S3 is capable of.
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Hi,

YouTube Music is already included in our OTA roadmap. However, we’re sorry that it may not be supported at the time of product launch.

Thank you for your interest. In the meantime, you’re welcome to try the S3 — we’re confident the sound quality won’t disappoint you.
 
Bureso said:
I'll keep following this thread, but I got impatient as I can't keep waiting, so I bought the Eversolo T8, and I'm really happy with it, but I still want the new line of Fosi Streamers to have all the succes it deserves.
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THX
 
John E. Learning said:
Hi Fosi,

It is now 9 months+ since your announcement.
Any news yet when the S3 will hit the market?
Or has this project been abandoned?

John
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Hi John,

Thank you very much for your continued attention and support.

We sincerely apologize for the long wait. Achieving the best possible sound quality and ensuring stable Wi-Fi streaming have been two of the biggest challenges for us, and we invested a great deal of time in R&D to get them right.

We’re pleased to let you know that the S3 is now confirmed to go on sale in March.
 
FonziOfFosi said:
a bit of communication here and there would not hurt if you want to keep the "community" engaged. It's dead silence right now which is very unfortunate.
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Hi,

It was the Chinese New Year holiday recently, so I took a relatively long break as well.

Haha, now I’m back!

Wishing everyone a smooth and successful year ahead, with good health and happiness. ;)
 
Jormvngandr said:
Chinese lunar new year is in full swing atm, so it might take a while before we will get any info on the progress of the streamer and other things they have in development.
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Hi

Oh, you even knew it was the Chinese New Year holiday during this time? 😄
 
PaulStevv said:
So, I do not own a Fosi T10 but apparently it works with the WIIM app (and apple devices). Could this be a solution for the Fosi streamers? The ability to use EQ/room correction & link to other Fosi/Wiim streamers would be a huge plus - not having to choose one ecosystem or the other.
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This is a commercial partnership.
However, it’s clearly the most convenient option for users.
 
John E. Learning said:
If not abandoned my reaction would be Roon ready.

People not subscribed to Roon have no right saying this should be omitted just for that reason.
We are not talking ultra high end, and every reasonable choice within scope should be considered at least.

If someone asks for pink besides grey, silver or black its their right to do so. Fosi will decide in the end.

Same as some computer [brand/style] users pretending another computer [brand/style] does not exist...or [please fill in your own preferred details] ...

I believe that this is a worldwide community where Fosi listens to everyone and then takes a business decision.
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Hi

Roon certification is a relatively lengthy process, and we are actively working with the Roon team to move it forward.

However, based on the current progress, we’re sorry to say that the S3 may not have completed Roon certification by the time it officially launches.
 
Hi Will, has development started on the S3 Lite yet? If the S3 is being release in March, do you have any timelines for the S3 Lite or will it be run as a completely separate project?
 
First Posting. My Setup now: Lindemann Limetree Bridge, Topping DX5II, Fosi V3 Monos with SX52B, HECO Direkt Einklang Fullrange Speaker, sounds amazing!
 
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I would like to know if Fosi Audio will create a separate developer forum for the Fosi Audio App development to track development progress for specific features, patch release notes, patch release cycles, targeted features for next release, etc. since this will require constant future upgrades.
 
I'm going to grab a S3 BUT my perfect S3 Lite/S4 would be

Pure Streamer (No DAC)
* Screen for cover art and EQ/visualisations.
* Network/Wifi for streaming apps and NAS over SMB
* Internal drive and/or USB for storage
* Outputs: USB Out (plug in my USB DAC), Optical Out, COAX Out (I2S would be a bonus).
* Digital EQ/DSP.
* Bonus: Room Correction/PEQ style.

I've got a R2R Druid and might get the Fiio Warmer for the tubes (unless Fosi make something similar) and just connecting the streamer to my existing DAC would be great.

My current streamer is a Raspberry Pi running piCorePlayer with a touch screen and it's.. good enough.. but having something dedicated with bonus features like the room correction would be nice.
 
Juan Rodriguez said:
Hello everyone,
A question for Fosi: does the S3 streamer set and V3 amplifiers present very different results if the connection is made via Xlr or Rca?
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XLR has higher gain (+6dB more) than RCA, so you would have to turn the volume dial lower in XLR to get the same volume level. RCA passes through one less op-amp, so it has a potential to sound cleaner with ZA3 (ZA3 uses an op-amp at the XLR input to convert the signal down from balanced/differential to single-ended in order to pass the signal through the volume potentiometer which cannot be bypassed).

-Ed

So will S3 be able to automatically power on via ARC/CEC signal?
 
Will Zhang said:
Hi,

YouTube Music is already included in our OTA roadmap. However, we’re sorry that it may not be supported at the time of product launch.

Thank you for your interest. In the meantime, you’re welcome to try the S3 — we’re confident the sound quality won’t disappoint you.
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Hopfully the youtube music supports free as well as paid service.
 
toninhofwi said:
Please tell me that's not true. Qobuz is the best streaming service out there right now, at least when it comes to Hi-Res content.
I was thinking of ordering one, but I'll wait for Qobuz.
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Agreed; extremely disappointing.

So will S3 be able to automatically power on via ARC/CEC signal?

-Ed
 
Bureso said:
I don't think there's any difference, in the app, the difference is in the login on YouTube regarding free or payed content from YouTube
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Is it? That is not the case with the native youtube app in Wiim.
Im not talking about chromecast from phone to streamer. Im talking about native youtube app.
 
The S3 already sounds impressive, but my use case requires Analog to Digital Conversion from the RCA inputs to the toslink output. This is to allow a turntable with a phono preamp to be connected to my KEF LS60 Wireless speakers at 24/196. This conversion is something that is missing from so many other streaming devices, and when it has been attempted it really is poorly executed. Is the S3 able to do so? It would be useful to also be able to play vinyl and use Airplay across the whole home, although I’m not sure if this would be licensed or approved by Apple. As someone who actually prefers to use Apple Music (I know, right?) could the S3 eventually support Apple Music on the device itself to achieve HiRes Lossless playback? Thanks.
 
Hi guys! I'm new to this forum, but not new to Fosi. Enjoying ZD3&ZA3 for a long time. Great gear!
As a source I'm using RPi4 with Volumio and Spotify plugin. But the problem with it is the fact that Spotify open source plugin is limited to 320kbps only. So, here is the question! :)
Do you have access to official Spotify SDK for lossless Spotify connect functionality?
Thanks!
 
Ordered an S3 off of Amazon with the coupon code, came out to under $250 shipped. If it is able to automatically power on and off from ARC/CEC (at least when left in HDMI input mode), this will be great. I can't use the ZD3 for this function because I already have another DAC that I prefer (Topping D90 III Sabre).

-Ed
 
EddNog said:
Ordered an S3 off of Amazon with the coupon code, came out to under $250 shipped. If it is able to automatically power on and off from ARC/CEC (at least when left in HDMI input mode), this will be great. I can't use the ZD3 for this function because I already have another DAC that I prefer (Topping D90 III Sabre).

-Ed
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I see you've been asking that question for a while with no response. Please let us know if it works. Thanks.
 
troythector said:
Makes sense, I do not see why they would change that with the S3 but always good to have confirmation. It's just weird that @Will Zhang & @Fosi Audio Team has not responded on this though. It will take them like 2 minutes to test it in the lab.
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Well, based on information I've seen elsewhere, this S3 streamer is (at least partially) based on an, "off-the-shelf," streaming module from another company, which allowed them to leverage somebody else's already refined streaming hardware and significantly reduce development time, but likely also limits certain aspects of how the S3 is able to function. I don't know exactly who built/programmed the ARC/CEC functionality within S3, so if it is part of the streaming circuit they brought in from elsewhere, they might not be able to make it behave the same as ZD3. Of course, I think it is highly likely that Fosi did that part themselves anyway, so fingers crossed. Either way, it's not easy to find an affordable solution with ARC/CEC input combined with power automation plus 12V trigger out. I am using a WiiM Ultra for that at the moment, but it's my dad's and I'd rather sell it already so he can recoup some of the cost (of his upgrade to an Eversolo T8).

-Ed
 
EddNog said:
Well, based on information I've seen elsewhere, this S3 streamer is (at least partially) based on an, "off-the-shelf," streaming module from another company, which allowed them to leverage somebody else's already refined streaming hardware and significantly reduce development time, but likely also limits certain aspects of how the S3 is able to function. I don't know exactly who built/programmed the ARC/CEC functionality within S3, so if it is part of the streaming circuit they brought in from elsewhere, they might not be able to make it behave the same as ZD3. Of course, I think it is highly likely that Fosi did that part themselves anyway, so fingers crossed. Either way, it's not easy to find an affordable solution with ARC/CEC input combined with power automation plus 12V trigger out. I am using a WiiM Ultra for that at the moment, but it's my dad's and I'd rather sell it already so he can recoup some of the cost (of his upgrade to an Eversolo T8).

-Ed
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The streaming module used is an StreamUnlimited Stream1832AE module which has been confirmed by Fosi Audio S3 Streamer Intro & Demonstration YouTube video but I cannot find any information relating to HDMI ARC/CEC in the documentation. I assume the ARC/CEC functionality has been built separately by Fosi Audio, so they would need to confirm if it's done according to standards.
 

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Sorry to jump in bluntly but why the Deep Space Grey ? I have the ZA3 and ZD3 and would have had the S3 but I wouldn't want one at any reduction , Fosi products are excellent but the look is a major factor , I am not sitting an S3 on or next to my other Fosi-ies period .
 
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Magpie said:
Sorry to jump in bluntly but why the Deep Space Grey ? I have there ZA3 and ZD3 and would have had the S3 but I wouldn't want one at any reduction , Fosi products are excellent but the look is a major factor , I am not sitting an S3 on or next to my other Fosi-ies period .
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If I had to guess, there's something about the way the wireless radios are physically configured that they needed to have a plastic/resin/composite enclosure that doesn't block radio signals like an aluminum/metal one would. They painted it to look like metal because that's as...un-cheap...as it will get. This might even go back to the need to rely on StreamUnlimited module.

-Ed
 
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